Ramachandran, the Temporal Lobes and God – Part 2

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Neurologist Ramachandran talking about temporal lobe epilepsy and god. Part 2. www.everythingispointless.com

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Bi Jo says:

lol


jacquilarson1 says:

where’s part 3?

Lee Owen says:

where’s part 3?

ETworldjone says:

There are a lot of problems with this which Ramachandran himself agrees.Only two patients were used for the experiment and that in scientific world is not at all enough. Secondly, the questionable conclusions (there are 3!) does not say anything about God or religion.Some of this conclusions venture into philosophy which Ramachandran is not an expert in.It just gives some insight on experiences.It must also be reminded that this experiment has not been independently verified.

2Crystalight says:

It makes me wonder why people think it is religious just because someone associated a feeling of being huge great more than what ones senses tells us

2Crystalight says:

I understand this 🙂

4evertruthful says:

Read Qurán for better insight into Biblical stories

4evertruthful says:

Read Qurán for better insight into Biblical stories

4evertruthful says:

Read Qurán for better insight into Biblical stories

KatrinaMess says:

@bornagainjessie Did you LISTEN to the man? He specifically said -No god spot. That the press misquoted him on that.- If you don’t pay attention to the actual facts, and what the source says, how are you supposed to comment legitimately? And your thinking is scattered, are you taking your meds?

bornagainjessie says:

When i fell unconcius after having a seizure last october…i did not remember anything….that said people fall unconcius BEFORE death….you wonder why im doubting the Envangelical faith of Jesus, The Old Testament saints, The 1st-2nd century Church, John R. Rice, Charles Spurgoen, DL Moody, Harry Ironside, Bob Jones Sr., Fighting Bob Shuller & The Wesley Brothers (which is what i held so dearly if anybody should know)!

bornagainjessie says:

This Ramachdran guy maybe a biased material atheist who incorectly says there is a god-spot in the brain…yet I now see more mistakes and factual errors in the Exudous story than Ramachdran’s biased sceince since he made ONE mistake about the brain while the Exudous made more mistakes about the soul plus the wandering in sinai and the 10 plauges that effected Ancient Egypt. despite my username…im a hopless agnostic again thanks to UN-BIASED archeology & UN-BIASED nueurology

1tabligh says:

No religious book is believed by all people, and no prophet is universally recognized. Therefore, it would be futile to rely on an authoritative statement of a prophet or a holy book when dealing with an atheist who disclaims all heavenly revelations and denies the whole concept of God.

1tabligh says:

A religious book is holy because it is introduced by a man whom we consider a prophet. Prophethood is conceivable only if there is God, because a prophet is a messenger of God. Our belief in God, therefore, must come before our belief in a religious book or a prophet, not vice versa.

1tabligh says:

Islam demands from its followers to believe in God, the Creator of the Universe, but it does not advise them to base such a belief on the statement of any religious book or any authoritative words, not even the word of the Holy Qur’an or of the holy Prophet. Our belief in a holy book, such as the Qur’an, or in a holy prophet, such as Mohammad, must be preceded by our belief in God.

theword1975 says:

And let me guess, you believe the Quran consists of the words of God? And so you want to interpret everything you see, hear, or read in a way that suits your religious belief. Wow, your look on life is not narrow at all (!).

1tabligh says:

“And the parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls out to that which hears no more than a call and a cry; deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they do not understand. ”
The Quran 2:171

Surely the vilest of animals, in God’s sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand.  
The Quran Chapter 8, Verse 22

1tabligh says:

their devils and spectres. They have eyes but do not see, they have tongues but are dumb, and do not understand. They have ears but do not hear. They are happy in their contemptible degradation. They presume that they are well-guided. They are diverted from the rank of rational beings. They feed on the vegetation of’ polluted dirty people. They deem themselves safe from a sudden visitation of death and the retribution of deeds. Alas! How ill fated are these people!

1tabligh says:

This analogy holds good in the case of those who deny the creative factor and the argument in favour of Divine Design. Failing to appreciate the merit of their provision, the perfection of creation and the beauty of design, they start wandering in the wide world, bewildered by their inability to grasp with their brains the underlying causes and principles. Mankind is perplexed and bewildered, blind, infatuated in their perverseness, following

1tabligh says:

I don’t know the extent of reality”

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And this is what the ATHEISTS fail to understand and in their misguided blindness and bewilderment they are like the blind people groping right and left not knowing the purpose for this Universe, and unaware of the underlying ingenuity, they might begin to reprimand the architect of the Universe in their offensive rage, whereas, as a matter of fact, the fault lies with their own inability to see.

1tabligh says:

differences begin to appear.

God and Empirical Logic.

One of the most destructive and misleading factors in thoughts concerning God is to restrict one’s thought to the “logic” of the empirical sciences and to *fail* to recognize the *limits* and boundaries of that “logic”.

Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?

1tabligh says:

/watch?v=G_BCNio07gU

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Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief,

1tabligh says:

The death of planets and stars, the disappearance of suns, is a *proof* of death and mutation in the existing order; they show that the world is advancing towards non-being and an inevitable conclusion.

We see, then, that the natural sciences have *expelled* matter/energy from the stronghold of *eternity*. Science not *only* proves the createdness of the world but *also* bears witness that the world came into existence at a given time.

How is that for YOUR “rambling”?

1tabligh says:

comfortable to the world of being.

In accordance with the principle just mentioned, once usable energy is exhausted, chemical action and reaction can *no* longer take place. But given that chemical action and reaction do take place that life is possible on the earth, and that a huge body like the sun is divisible each day and night into three hundred thousand million tons, it is clear that the world has *originated* in time.

1tabligh says:

If there were no beginning or point of departure for the world, all the existing atoms would have dissolved and been transformed into energy an infinite number of years ago. In the course of a very long past, the heat of the world would have come to an end, for matter, in the course of its successive and continuous transformation, is transformed into perishable energies. It is *not* possible for all the energy dispersed to be transformed a new into matter and mass

1tabligh says:

The atheist Delusion!

The second principle of thermodynamics, entropy or the decline of thermal energy, teaches us that although we cannot fix a date for the appearance of the world, the world certainly did have a beginning. The heat in the world is gradually decreasing and falling, like a piece of molten iron that gradually diffuses its heat in the air until finally the heat of the iron will be identical with that of the objects and the air surrounding it.

badblueman says:

You’re just an egomaniac. Your pages of rambling are all over an enemy you yourself constructed in your brain; pumping yourself up with a constant flow of strawman arguments and now what, to what end do you beat a dead horse made of straw? I wanted to say you’re as enlightened and spiritual as a rock, but that would’ve been a compliment. Let’s say you’re a pride to Muhammed. Drop your fancy religious hat and sophistry, then perhaps you may find some peace.

1tabligh says:

and dumfound me, so that I am left without a plank to answer the arguments of your personage. If you are of this company, then talk to me in the same strain.

No wasting time!

Now clock off!

Science is too heavy for you to comprehend, now go to mamma and drink some milk instead!

Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!

1tabligh says:

It does not behove you to talk in the strain that you do! Never use any impropriety, nor retort aggressively.

I thought you are very forbearing, dignified, reasonable and of mature intellect. But you are harsh and touchy. You dont’t listen to my talk very attentively. You should invite my arguments, so much so that when I have exhausted my armoury and I think to have silenced you, you, with a brief resume, stultify all my reasoning 

1tabligh says:

I think you’re crazy.

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Well done!

You proved my point!

Your sum total of knowledge compare to mine is not even an atom near the drop of water in the sea of knowledge let alone the sea itself.

I would discuss this issue if you can marshal well founded cogent arguments, which I will admit, otherwise you have no right to interpolate without a ken for science and polemics with your “I think you’re crazy.”

badblueman says:

/watch?v=G_BCNio07gU

badblueman says:

I think you’re crazy.

1tabligh says:

YOU became disbeliever, and because of a *deficiency* of your *knowledge* and *puerility* of *intellect*, began quibbling inimically with Truth, so much so that you *denied* creativeness and claimed that all this *universe* was *meaningless* and vain, without any *ingenious* design on the part of a Designer or Creator *God* – a purposeless non-entity *without* balance or poise.

1tabligh says:

No religious book is believed by *all* people, and no prophet is universally recognized. Therefore, it would be *futile* to rely on an authoritative statement of a prophet or a holy book when dealing with a *DUPED AND CLOSED-MINDED DELUDED* atheist who disclaims all heavenly revelations and denies the *whole* concept of God.

1tabligh says:

A religious book is holy because it is introduced by a man whom we consider a prophet.

Prophethood is conceivable *only* if there is God, because a prophet is a messenger of God. Our belief in God, therefore, must come *before* our belief in a religious book or a prophet, *not* vice versa.

1tabligh says:

Islam demands from its followers to believe in God, the Creator of the Universe, but it does not advise them to base such a belief on the statement of any religious book or any authoritative words, not *even* the word of the Holy Qur’an or of the holy Prophet. Our belief in a holy book, such as the Qur’an, or in a holy prophet, such as Mohammad, *must* be preceded by our belief in God.

1tabligh says:

The 1400 year old Mohammedan cult follower with no evidence?

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Poor fella!

Your comment shows your deficiency of knowledge and *puerility* of your intellect!

My sum total of knowledge compare to the Granson of Prophet Muhammed s.a.w (Husain ibn Ali a.s) is not even a drop of water in the sea of knowledge let alone Muhammed himself.

1tabligh says:

Now you may say ” But evolution says there was no Adam and Eve etc…”

Granted for the sake of an argument!

Even then if you deny the existence of the YOUR first “evolution” beings, you would be eliminating the whole evolution!

1tabligh says:

You may continue going back until you reach Adam and Eve. If you deny the existence of the first two human beings, you would be eliminating the first generation of their children. By eliminating the first generation, you eliminate the second and what is beyond it. Finally, you have to eliminate your own parents. Then you have to eliminate yourself. But you say to yourself: I cannot do that because I am here. Then you have to say: Adam and Eve were there.

1tabligh says:

Your very existence is a great evidence on the existence of Adam and Eve, or let us say the first two human beings. You did not see Adam and Eve, but you believe that they existed.

To make it more clear: You came through your parents. Your parents came through their parents, and your grandparents came through their parents, and so on.

1tabligh says:

You are intellectually dishonest. You require no proof for your beliefs. You have no rational proof for anything you say,…

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Not at all!

In order to believe in something, you do not necessarily have to see it. You believe in electricity, yet you cannot see it. You believe in it only because you see its products such as light, heat, etc. If this is sufficient to make you a believer in the existence of electricity, the great universe should be sufficient to every

1tabligh says:

To allow any gradual increase in the material quantity is to admit the need of a creator.

1tabligh says:

We cannot conceive that all these quantities of materials existed at once and that nothing of it was preceded by non-existence.

To say that only a portion of the material is infinitely old, and that the other portions came to existence at a later stage, is to admit the need of a creator, because the inanimate material does not increase by self-reproduction. Only living beings are capable of multiplying by self-reproduction.

1tabligh says:

Well, it is very hard to accept the idea that matter is infinitely old.
When one says that matter or energy is infinitely old, one assumes that the material out of which the billions of stars were built, existed simultaneously. When we are aware that each star contains billions of tons of materials, and that the balance of the raw material is much more than the material which is contained in the stars and planets, we realize the improbability of such an idea.

1tabligh says:

Now you may ask “But why should a person consider the existence of the material world as evidence of the existence of the creator of matter?

Is it not probable that matter existed without a creator?

Suppose someone views that matter or energy is infinitely old, and that it never was preceded by non-existence. Would you be able to disprove his views?”

1tabligh says:

The material world is observable by the atheist as well as by the believer, by the illiterate as well as by the philosopher. One may reflect on the formation of the heavenly bodies and the existence of the matter and energy without being committed to any particular religion or recognizing any religious book.

1tabligh says:

When our belief in God precedes any other religious belief, the evidence which produces such a belief must be universal and available to every rational being, whether committed or uncommitted to a particular religion.

The Holy Qur’an offers the universe as evidence on the existence of its Creator. The material world, its celestial bodies, the earth, and the other planets, are viewed by Islam to be the main evidence of the Creator of matter and energy.

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